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October 18, 2003
Supporting the Troops II

Sick, wounded U.S. troops held in squalor

FORT STEWART, Ga., Oct. 17 (UPI) -- Hundreds of sick and wounded U.S. soldiers including many who served in the Iraq war are languishing in hot cement barracks here while they wait -- sometimes for months -- to see doctors ... One document shown to UPI states that no more doctor appointments are available from Oct. 14 through Nov. 11 -- Veterans Day...

One month after President Bush greeted soldiers at Fort Stewart -- home of the famed Third Infantry Division -- as heroes on their return from Iraq, approximately 600 sick or injured members of the Army Reserves and National Guard are warehoused in rows of spare, steamy and dark cement barracks in a sandy field, waiting for doctors to treat their wounds or illnesses...

Some of the soldiers said they have waited six hours a day for an appointment without seeing a doctor. Others described waiting weeks or months without getting a diagnosis or proper treatment...

A half-dozen calls by UPI seeking comment from Fort Stewart public affairs officials and U.S. Forces Command in Atlanta were not returned.

You know, the Czar of Russia also used to treat his troops that way, until...

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Posted by billmon at October 18, 2003 02:32 PM
Comments

To all those "patriotic" murcuns who have the flag waving from their SUV...now it's time for you to put your money where your mouth is...do you support your troops or not?

Posted by: Thor Heyerdahl at October 18, 2003 03:36 PM

The parallels between aWol and Czar Nicholas II (The Deuce) are surprisingly many. Rove/Rasputin for advisors is an obvious example, but did you know that Bush writes his "R's" backwards too?

Posted by: Not Ed Meese at October 18, 2003 03:49 PM

"Supporting the Troops" is to Americans what "Turning the other cheek," "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone," or "Thou shall not kill" is to rightwing christian fundamentalists. Things to recite not to live.

Posted by: Marie at October 18, 2003 03:56 PM

Anyone reading the article catch the "pre-existing condition" ploy? You might recall there was a huge flap (on the Internet, anyway) at the initial deployment because our troops were being sent off without a base-line medical exam--an exam mandated by law. Now they are back with injuries, but no base-line exam to compare to, so no way to prove injuries are not pre-existing. No proof, no treatment or benefits. Clever. Typical. Utterly disgusting.

Posted by: workin_granny at October 18, 2003 03:58 PM

The languishing wounded soldiers is in the same category as the ceramic armor inserts. The White House and the Pentagon used faith based intelligence to rush head long into a war thinking it would be over in a month and the US Army would be charging through Syria right now and into Iran next Spring. They just didn’t do any contingency planning for a prolonged bloody Iraq occupation with the associated physically and mentally wounded troops

The treatment of the wounded and the Valerie Plane affair are just tips of the iceberg. Their incompetence, lies and propaganda are going to haunt the Bush II Administration.

Posted by: Jim S at October 18, 2003 04:10 PM

Not Ed Meese, ROTFL!!!! Bartender a shot of Stolichnaya on me for the fine gentleman.

These days opposition to the GOP feels a bit like being a decembrist

Posted by: Thor Heyerdahl at October 18, 2003 04:12 PM

You might recall there was a huge flap (on the Internet, anyway) at the initial deployment because our troops were being sent off without a base-line medical exam--an exam mandated by law.

workin_granny if you can point to any links on that, I'd like to check it out. Thanks.

Posted by: Billmon at October 18, 2003 04:20 PM

Billmon, you asked for a link, so I googled and found it again at the Tom Paine site--one of my first stops every day. I'm going to try to follow directions for the link but as it's my first try.... well, if it doesn't work,
http://www.tompaine.com/op_ads/opad2.cfm/ID/7673

Posted by: workin_granny at October 18, 2003 04:46 PM

Thanks,workin_granny. Don't worry about the link. I'll fix it.

Posted by: Billmon at October 18, 2003 05:13 PM

Is there anyone counting US KIA wounded since "bring 'em on?" I think that would be a damaging tally.

Posted by: Richard W. Crews at October 18, 2003 05:14 PM

Is there anyone counting US KIA wounded since "bring 'em on?"

Not that I know of. But I think it would be possible to calculate from the data posted at the Lunaville Iraq Coalition Casualty Site. The link is on my main page, top right.

Posted by: Billmon at October 18, 2003 05:20 PM

Maybe the marines should change their motto from semper fidelus to caveat emptor.

Posted by: BCT at October 18, 2003 06:04 PM

Bartcop.com has been tracking KIA and WIA since "Bring 'em on." He also has totals for war-to-date.

Beware--the guy's got a really vicious sense of humor and tears Bush, Rush, Spiro and the rest to shreds.

Posted by: Derelict at October 18, 2003 06:24 PM

Again, and a little bit more elaborate this time, I'd like to point out, that there is very much a system behind not efficiently testing the troops before, during and not caring sufficiently for the health of the troops afterwards.

There is a vast economic interest not to address the issue of absorbed Depleted Uranium in the deployed soldiers.
The soldiers were not and are not tested for inhaled, powderized Uranium Oxide residue in blood, bonemarrow and urine, as it results from exposure on the battlefield or contaminated areas.

Health problems resulting from this are diagnosed and treated for the symptoms they cause, but never for their reason.

Golf War Syndrom and their related ailments caused in the Kosovo campaign are burdened on the soldiers suffering from it. Without proper compensation, health care and welfare for those that became disabled or suffered genetic damage in their offspring, most of these ex-soldiers suffer quietly in the shadow of society. .
[From our medical unit of 150 who went to the front, forty are sick, six have died from homicides, suicides, heart attacks and cancer. Washington told me I couldn't get tested for depleted uranium because I hadn't been hit by friendly fire.]

If their claims were addressed in terms comparable to Workers Compensation Board employer liability, the flood of claims would pale the cost of "rebuilding" Iraq.

Just remember how long it took to reach settlement for the "Agent Orange" victims.

Posted by: Werner Dieter Thomas, Vancouver, BC, Canada at October 18, 2003 06:25 PM

While I appreciate the parallels between aWol and Nicky. I think the parallels between the Smirking One and Caligula are also interesting.

For sheer irony though, Americans' charges against King George enumerated in the Declaration of Independence ring true against Selected George as well.

Posted by: at October 18, 2003 06:49 PM

Oops, forgot my linking info in the post about King George and Caligula.

Posted by: TechnoPeasant at October 18, 2003 06:52 PM

Billmon: wouldn't that sort of add credibility to the SCOOP's interviews of the returning soldiers?

No matter how bad we think it is, it is worse.

Posted by: Lupin at October 18, 2003 07:10 PM

"Supporting the troops" is a meaningless meme coined cynically by those who try to cast the anti-war camp into traitors.

The Neocons and their fascist ilk wouldn't touch the troops -- hispanics, blacks, poor, etc. -- with a ten-foot pole, no more than an 18th century British aristocrat had any respect or love for the Fletcher Christians and Alexander Selkirks of their world.

"Supporting the troops" is a sick joke.

In the eyes of our "Masters", the troops are easily exploitable scum and useful cannon fodder.

I suspect it's always been like this with rulers and their armies.

(Remember the Vet Riots in Washington after WWI.)

Posted by: Lupin at October 18, 2003 07:14 PM

There are some marvelous Italian sites on depleted uranium: www.uranioimpoverito.it is a good starting point (if you don't read Italian, google "uranio impoverito" and use the translate this page option).

Posted by: P. Clodius at October 18, 2003 07:17 PM

Lupin, I've been wondering about the credibility of the SCOOP stories also .. almost too much to believe .. anyone here have opinions?

By the way, where is aWol these days, when he's not throwing tantrums for Congress? Seems quite low-key lately .. no brave pronouncements, no cool photo-ops ..

Posted by: wilderness wench at October 18, 2003 08:27 PM

By the way, where is aWol these days?

My guess is, they're replacing the batteries or installing new software. At least judging by by the the $87 b-billion speech speech permorfance.

Posted by: Lupin at October 18, 2003 08:37 PM

While I appreciate the parallels between aWol and Nicky. I think the parallels between the Smirking One and Caligula are also interesting.

I've already covered that one.

Posted by: Billmon at October 18, 2003 08:39 PM

wilderness: Well, this weekend Beelzebush is doing Thailand. PETA should be thoroughly up in arms, since real mice may be harmed in the testing of his food. Also, some northern tribesmen have decided to do their patriotic bit by putting a hex on Shrub and some of the other other leaders they believe exploit the poor:

"... A shaman "captured" the spirits of the leaders and encased them in a pot that was sunk in a river. ..."

One thing bothers me, though. The Shaman claims to have imprisoned their souls. How is that even *possible* in Bush's case? ;-)

SEE:
Thai mouse to risk life for Bush in last line of bio-chemical defence
http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,4777433-110878,00.html

Posted by: JMFeeney (USA) at October 18, 2003 08:57 PM

JMF -- Interesting link, thank you. Re mice, I suppose it's an even trade.

In some shamanic traditions, the soul can be retrieved from its hiding place & returned to the body .. so this may be a two step process.

Seems the Army is hard pressed to offer troops anything close to the type of preventive considerations Bush now receives.

Posted by: wilderness wench at October 18, 2003 09:29 PM

Billmon: Inspired by your Romanov illustration, I've coined a riddle of sorts:

Q: What would you call the entire Bush administration gathered in a Yekaterinburg basement?
A: A good beginning!

Posted by: JMFeeney (USA) at October 19, 2003 02:59 PM

Re mice, I suppose it's an even trade.

wilderness: I dunno. Sounds like a waste of perfectly good mice to me. ;-)

(Loved the "two step process"!)

Posted by: JMFeeney (USA) at October 19, 2003 03:07 PM

Just like to add that, like Czar Nick the Deuce, aWol also:

--favors tax cuts to the obscenely wealthy
--is opposed to overtime pay
(they have similar economic worldviews in general)
--likes to dress up in military garb and pretend that he really served as a soldier
--hates France

Posted by: Not Ed Meese at October 19, 2003 09:41 PM

JMFeeney writes : ""... A shaman "captured" the spirits of the leaders and encased them in a pot that was sunk in a river. ..."

Interestingly, in Thailand, that's how they catch eels - put a dead dog in a clay pot and bury it in the muck of a river. Eels swim in to feed, and you catch them at the neck of the pot.

Seems appropriate.

(I'm reading a book of teachings by the Thai monk Ajahn Chah, and this was mentioned at one point.)

Posted by: Jon H at October 23, 2003 12:47 AM